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#164969: "Rules check: order of resolution when multiple Flip Three / Freeze cards revealed on Flip Three"
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Rules: a rule of the game has not been respected
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• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
The order of resolution when multiple Flip Three and Freeze cards are revealed from a single Flip Three resolution.
1. Player A draws and gives a Flip Three to Player B.
2. B draws in order: a 4 (does not pair), then a Freeze, then a Flip Three.
3. B had to play their Flip Three first, then their Freeze.
Current discussion in BGG forum: boardgamegeek.com/thread/3494523/ -
• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
Moves #40-#42 of Table #654254774
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13. Apr 2025 1:00 • aba_dab_o • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
See snapshots: imgur.com/a/Htvns2X
29. Apr 2025 7:33 • aba_dab_o • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
Update to the rules through the BGG forum: boardgamegeek.com/thread/3494523/article/46016275#46016275
Flip 3:
1) Flip three cards, one at a time. Stop if you Bust or Flip 7. (If you Flip 7, the round ends immediately for all players. Go straight to scoring.)
2) Keep a Second Chance if you don't already have one. If you do already have one, immediately assign the new one to another player. (During a Flip 3 you are allowed to use a Second Chance card in your possession -- whether newly drawn or previously owned -- to neutralize a number card that would otherwise bust you.)
3) Temporarily set aside any Flip 3's or Freezes. Discard them if you subsequently Bust or Flip 7.
4) After flipping all three required cards (without Busting or Flipping 7), hand out all set aside cards **in the order they were flipped** and to whomever you choose. (You *may* give multiple cards to the same player or to different players at your discretion. If you are the only active player remaining, then you must give all set aside cards to yourself.)
5) The player(s) will then resolve those action cards in the order in which you handed them out. (If a single player receives, first, a Freeze, and second, a Flip 3, then after Freezing, that player discards the Flip 3.)
6) After the original Flip 3 and any other subsequent Flip 3 and Freeze cards are all resolved, the Dealer then moves along to the next active player clockwise from the player who got dealt the original Flip 3 by the Dealer, and asks that next player if they wish to "Hit or Stay."
In Flip 7 game #654254774:
- Move #40: aba_dab_o resolves his received Flip Three (from darlinglizzie) by drawing a 4 (no bust / Flip 7), then a Freeze, then a Flip Three.
- Move #41: aba was forced to hand out the Flip Three first (violates rule 4, out of order) and that Flip Three was immediately resolved without handing out the Freeze (violates rule 4, not all action cards drawn from Flip Three were handed out).
What should have happened:
- aba_dab_o resolves his received Flip Three (from darlinglizzie) by drawing a 4 (no bust / Flip 7), then a Freeze, then a Flip Three.
- aba hands the Freeze to a player.
- aba hands the Flip Three to a player.
- The player who received the Freeze is now resolved: freezes and out of round.
- The player who received the Flip Three is now resolved: draws three, follows Flip Three rules.
- If more Flip Three / Freeze cards were drawn from Flip Three, again resolve in order they were drawn and received.
- After all resolutions, next active player clockwise from darlinglizzie takes their turn.
Update to the rules through the BGG forum: boardgamegeek.com/thread/3494523/article/46016275#46016275
Flip 3:
1) Flip three cards, one at a time. Stop if you Bust or Flip 7. (If you Flip 7, the round ends immediately for all players. Go straight to scoring.)
2) Keep a Second Chance if you don't already have one. If you do already have one, immediately assign the new one to another player. (During a Flip 3 you are allowed to use a Second Chance card in your possession -- whether newly drawn or previously owned -- to neutralize a number card that would otherwise bust you.)
3) Temporarily set aside any Flip 3's or Freezes. Discard them if you subsequently Bust or Flip 7.
4) After flipping all three required cards (without Busting or Flipping 7), hand out all set aside cards **in the order they were flipped** and to whomever you choose. (You *may* give multiple cards to the same player or to different players at your discretion. If you are the only active player remaining, then you must give all set aside cards to yourself.)
5) The player(s) will then resolve those action cards in the order in which you handed them out. (If a single player receives, first, a Freeze, and second, a Flip 3, then after Freezing, that player discards the Flip 3.)
6) After the original Flip 3 and any other subsequent Flip 3 and Freeze cards are all resolved, the Dealer then moves along to the next active player clockwise from the player who got dealt the original Flip 3 by the Dealer, and asks that next player if they wish to "Hit or Stay."
In Flip 7 game #654254774:
- Move #40: aba_dab_o resolves his received Flip Three (from darlinglizzie) by drawing a 4 (no bust / Flip 7), then a Freeze, then a Flip Three.
- Move #41: aba was forced to hand out the Flip Three first (violates rule 4, out of order) and that Flip Three was immediately resolved without handing out the Freeze (violates rule 4, not all action cards drawn from Flip Three were handed out).
What should have happened:
- aba_dab_o resolves his received Flip Three (from darlinglizzie) by drawing a 4 (no bust / Flip 7), then a Freeze, then a Flip Three.
- aba hands the Freeze to a player.
- aba hands the Flip Three to a player.
- The player who received the Freeze is now resolved: freezes and out of round.
- The player who received the Flip Three is now resolved: draws three, follows Flip Three rules.
- If more Flip Three / Freeze cards were drawn from Flip Three, again resolve in order they were drawn and received.
- After all resolutions, next active player clockwise from darlinglizzie takes their turn.
Update to the rules through the BGG forum: boardgamegeek.com/thread/3494523/article/46016275#46016275
8. Jun 2025 21:44 • kelby • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
Same issue occurred to me on table #685008509:
Move #108 I drew a flip three which I was forced to use on myself, and drew a freeze, flip three, and 12 in that order.
Move #109 I was forced to use the flip three even though it was drawn after the freeze.
Move #108 I drew a flip three which I was forced to use on myself, and drew a freeze, flip three, and 12 in that order.
Move #109 I was forced to use the flip three even though it was drawn after the freeze.
15. Jun 2025 14:33 • Zentor • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
Happened in this game. But also had a 4th card flipped on a Flip 3 card. The 4th card was drawn after the 3rd card knocked the player out. So looks like 2 bugs with the Flip 3 card. First for forced to play before Freeze, and second for cause 4 cards to be flipped.
Table #688097158
Move #16 / 17
Table #688097158
Move #16 / 17
23. Jun 2025 14:12 • Armand1981 • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
Happened during game (#Table #691772616)
Flip Three gave me 2 cards Bonus when around 200 points.
Game is not clear about the card to be given first, versus second one.
It was not the highlighted card or the 1st one drawn..
==> Give indication to the player about which card (with "Card Name") has to be given and not only "Bonus Card"
Flip Three gave me 2 cards Bonus when around 200 points.
Game is not clear about the card to be given first, versus second one.
It was not the highlighted card or the 1st one drawn..
==> Give indication to the player about which card (with "Card Name") has to be given and not only "Bonus Card"
29. Jun 2025 11:04 • cigma • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
Same with my game table 694366785, starting move 69. The second Flip 3 turn started before my Flip 3 turn (including Freeze) was fully resolved.
And I second the suggestion of Armand1981: Give indication to the player about which card (with "Card Name") has to be given and not only "Bonus Card".
And I second the suggestion of Armand1981: Give indication to the player about which card (with "Card Name") has to be given and not only "Bonus Card".
22. Aug 2025 19:09 • Ghost_83 • Bug has not been reproduced by delopers yet:
L'ordre n'a pas été respecté sur la partie #718937815.
J'ai pioché un Flip Three qui m'a donné un deuxième 12 mais aussi une carte Freeze que je n'ai pas pu donner.
J'ai pioché un Flip Three qui m'a donné un deuxième 12 mais aussi une carte Freeze que je n'ai pas pu donner.
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