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#160719: "Use more colours or change the order of the suits"
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Suggestion: in my opinion, the following would greatly improve the game implementation
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Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
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8. Mar 2025 14:11 • Chtd • This suggestion has not been analyzed by delopers yet:
8. Mar 2025 15:41 • ufm • Developers agree that it is a good idea and intend to work on it:
The current suit order is Spades - Hearts - Clubs - Diamonds.
I initially considered Preferans suit order which is in line with the meld score (Hearts - Diamonds - Clubs - Spades), but as you said I intentionally chose this order to split the colors.
However, in the screenshot, you didn't have any Hearts...
In general, the 4-color sprite is rarely used or requested in trick-taking games, so I usually don't add them.
They are more popular in Poker games and Rummy games.
But as adding it is not so hard, I'll consider it.
About variants... I don't add less popular variants for these reasons:
- I can't implement every variant in the world. I have to stop at some point.
- Adding too many variants is actually bad, because most of them are rarely played, often confuse players and hampers matchmaking.
If you want to mix some elements, please select 'Custom' rule set option instead.
I initially considered Preferans suit order which is in line with the meld score (Hearts - Diamonds - Clubs - Spades), but as you said I intentionally chose this order to split the colors.
However, in the screenshot, you didn't have any Hearts...
In general, the 4-color sprite is rarely used or requested in trick-taking games, so I usually don't add them.
They are more popular in Poker games and Rummy games.
But as adding it is not so hard, I'll consider it.
About variants... I don't add less popular variants for these reasons:
- I can't implement every variant in the world. I have to stop at some point.
- Adding too many variants is actually bad, because most of them are rarely played, often confuse players and hampers matchmaking.
If you want to mix some elements, please select 'Custom' rule set option instead.
8. Mar 2025 16:33 • ufm • This suggestion has been implemented:
Added 4-color sprite as a preference option
8. Mar 2025 18:13 • Chtd • This suggestion has been implemented:
Thank you for your nice explanation about the rules. But I'd like to ask you to consider some things about them. It's not only my way of playing, I've played several online games and still have somewhere an app for the PC, there were not lots of variants, but the most playable. I'd like to describe a couple of them here.
First, about the barrel. As far as I can see even in the custom rules, the barrel seems to be eternal. Once the player gets 380 or 880, they never can have less. So, there is a rule that says that after 3 barrels the player donws to zero, and the game becomes more risky.
Second, there is a variant where 4 aces are considered as a marriage, too, so to declare it, a player must win a trick with a 10. This marriage scores 200.
And one more thing. Maybe I havn't seen that window, sorry. I think, in this game, a helping window with the rules of the game, like scoring for each suit, would be useful...
Thank you again!
First, about the barrel. As far as I can see even in the custom rules, the barrel seems to be eternal. Once the player gets 380 or 880, they never can have less. So, there is a rule that says that after 3 barrels the player donws to zero, and the game becomes more risky.
Second, there is a variant where 4 aces are considered as a marriage, too, so to declare it, a player must win a trick with a 10. This marriage scores 200.
And one more thing. Maybe I havn't seen that window, sorry. I think, in this game, a helping window with the rules of the game, like scoring for each suit, would be useful...
Thank you again!
9. Mar 2025 3:14 • ufm • Developers think that it is not a good idea or that the cost/benefit ratio is too high:
I considered these variants while developing, but they were excluded because they were too swingy.
- Losing everything for failed barrel attempts is way too risky, considering most bids usually end up with ≥160 points and building up to the barrel limit takes quite a long time, especially for beginners who often overbid or underbid hands.
- With '4 Aces are 200 points' rule, a hand with 4 Aces and a single 10 guarantees at least 260 points - the minimum is AAAATQQJJJJ9999 (268 points).
I don't add a player aid button or table when the game rules are not so complex.
Actually I tried adding some in other popular games (e.g. Hearts) but they backfired - most players hated it.
So I won't bother with a player aid, especially when the core rules (meld scores, card ranks and points, bid process) are not subject to variant changes.
- Losing everything for failed barrel attempts is way too risky, considering most bids usually end up with ≥160 points and building up to the barrel limit takes quite a long time, especially for beginners who often overbid or underbid hands.
- With '4 Aces are 200 points' rule, a hand with 4 Aces and a single 10 guarantees at least 260 points - the minimum is AAAATQQJJJJ9999 (268 points).
I don't add a player aid button or table when the game rules are not so complex.
Actually I tried adding some in other popular games (e.g. Hearts) but they backfired - most players hated it.
So I won't bother with a player aid, especially when the core rules (meld scores, card ranks and points, bid process) are not subject to variant changes.
9. Mar 2025 5:24 • ufm • This suggestion has been implemented:
Added meld score reminder.
This will be more helpful than a player aid button, especially for German players, considering German variants follow Skat suit order for meld scoring (Clubs - Spades - Hearts - Diamonds) rather than Preferans suit order (Hearts - Diamonds - Clubs - Spades).
This will be more helpful than a player aid button, especially for German players, considering German variants follow Skat suit order for meld scoring (Clubs - Spades - Hearts - Diamonds) rather than Preferans suit order (Hearts - Diamonds - Clubs - Spades).
9. Mar 2025 14:52 • januszk0 • This suggestion has been implemented:
I have a question about the Polish variant.
Where did you get the rules?
From the website www.pagat.com/marriage/1000.html? There is nothing there about having to meld on the first trick.
I don't know where the author got the information, but Bombs are not a common standard in Poland, it is a rarely played option.
Moreover, I lack the freedom to choose how to play the meld. If I choose the Polish variant, I have to play on the first trick. If I choose the Custom variant, I cannot play on the first trick. Why?
I would like it to be me who decides in which trick I play a meld.
Where did you get the rules?
From the website www.pagat.com/marriage/1000.html? There is nothing there about having to meld on the first trick.
I don't know where the author got the information, but Bombs are not a common standard in Poland, it is a rarely played option.
Moreover, I lack the freedom to choose how to play the meld. If I choose the Polish variant, I have to play on the first trick. If I choose the Custom variant, I cannot play on the first trick. Why?
I would like it to be me who decides in which trick I play a meld.
11. Mar 2025 0:41 • ufm • This suggestion has been implemented:
You can declare meld anytime when you have the lead.
If you don't want to meld, just click a card and play one.
About bomb:
I also considered 'no bomb as the default option', but during test games and spectator games leaving someone with the mandatory bid of 100 usually went with the flow of luck rather than an elaborate strategy.
If you don't want to meld, just click a card and play one.
About bomb:
I also considered 'no bomb as the default option', but during test games and spectator games leaving someone with the mandatory bid of 100 usually went with the flow of luck rather than an elaborate strategy.
22. Mar 2025 3:59 • ufm • This suggestion has been implemented:
On a second thought, Four Aces meld variant is not bad, because hands with 4 aces with no melds are usually terrible to bid (unless you can take all scoring cards).
Implemented as a custom option.
Implemented as a custom option.
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