#157470: "Make ELO fairer more consistently for lower ranked players in "Century: Spice Road""
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I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
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I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • What is your browser?
Brave
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I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • What is your browser?
Brave
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• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
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• Which was the game action you wanted to do?
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
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I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• What is your browser?
Brave
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I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • What is your browser?
Brave
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• What is your browser?
Brave
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • What is your browser?
Brave
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I haven't tracked this precisely - I am reporting based on what I've noticed, but have not written down specific cases. I just pulled the table number from my history and otherwise am going by memory. I have seen this happen several times.
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